Going for the Green

Robert Thompson's comments, criticism and opinion on the world of golf.

7 responses to “Course Review: National Golf Club of Canada”

  1. gary slatter

    The National is a great, tough golf course, and might be reason enough for Fazio dissenters to look at more Fazio courses!

    And 12 green is perfect for the hole! Always a challenge for the one iron, or the sand wedge. Birdies are great victories, but sometimes a par can be very satisfying.

    Does the National still have great hot dogs after the reno?

  2. John

    A few comments on your most recent review of The National:
    I agree with you that when the pin is ‘on the hump’ of 12th green, it is too tricky however; it is the ONLY gimmicky spot on any green at the club.
    The National DOES NOT beat you every time you go out Robert. The National rewards good golf shots and penalizes poor ones. It rewards solid course management and severely penalizes those who cannot except a bogey after a poorly hit shot. (There are good bogeys Rob!) If you’re a golfer that MUST shoot a low number every day, enjoy hitting the same shots from the same place, wants to make pars after hitting poor shots and prefer flat greens that run at 10, The National is not for you. However, if you prefer a challenge and want a golf course that provides entertainment/excitement every time you play then The National is by far the best. The National was not designed for higher handicaps and was conceived by the founders to be “a player’s course”. You call the National 1 dimensional and for the life of me I have no idea what this means???? There are more dimensions to The National than any other 3 courses combined.
    I will agree the bunker/willow tree combo on 4 is an issue however; you can still chip out to 160 yards and attack the green. If you truly believe you should have a wedge in your hand for your 3rd shot (after a poor drive) then we’ll agree to disagree. It has been rated the best par 5 in the country and for good reason.
    The vast majority of players would call the National GREAT. From tour pros to higher handicaps to golf architects all consider to be in the top 100 in the world. To suggest there are other courses in Canada are even close to this golf course and the experience is simply wrong. Those who follow your writings know your ‘favourties’ are aware of your ‘dark side’ when it comes to The National.
    Yesterday the club hosted the 9th annual Ben Kern Pro-am and the comments from the pros were universal: “The National is best course in Canada and amongst the best in the world”. This comment came from a 9 time US Open qualifier. Other pro comments were, “the best in country”, “best conditioned”, “best greens and green speed”, “great practice facility”, “most challenging”, “most rewarding for good shots” etc. etc.
    I am not sure what the other 2 are in the “big 3″ you referenced but I hope Hamilton is one. I would welcome going through the list of top 100 in the world and identify a large number of courses that do not come close to The National. I’d be happy to bring golf professionals, ‘players’ and industry experts to the event.
    Lastly, like most of your readers I have played golf around the globe and experienced hundreds of different courses. If the ‘golf gods’ ever told me I could only play 1 course for the rest of life, it would be The National. Which one would you choose??
    Keep up the good work Robert. I enjoy reading your work regardless of its accuracy.

    1. Frank

      John,

      Ian Leggat, Vijay Singh, Sergio Garcia and John Daly all said Royal Ontario was a “great” course during the 2003 Telus Skins game.

      A pro, architect or high handicapper will never knock a golf course especially when playing in a charity event. They are there to promote the event not make people avoid it.

      If everyone considers The National top 100 in the world, why is it not in ANY of the Top 100 in the world course lists….in the world?

      Finally, how hypocritical is it to say the course was not designed for high handicappers and conceived to be a “players course,” yet you argue it is not one dimensional. If it wasn’t one dimensional it would be a course that plays well for ALL levels of player.

  3. John

    Frank,
    The comments from the pros regarding the The National go well beyond the 1 event mentioned. Obviously everyone will provide positive feedback when they’re at an event however; architects, ALL golfers and pros will be quite honest on their assessments of clubs once they’re off site. You will find that The National consistently receives the highest accolades from these groups. Mike Weir has publically stated the same as have several other current and former tour pros.
    With respect to The National not being in the top 100 I do not have an explanation. The real question is; how is it The National is perennially rated #1 in Canada (by a significant margin) but does not make the world rankings?? When you see the 2 Canadian courses they have on the list, one would question the criteria used. Do you not think Hamilton should be on the top 100 list? Ask the tour pros, “Which of the courses they played the Canadian Open on is their preferred track”? It WILL NOT be listed in the top 100 world rankings. Are there other courses in Canada that should be on the list? Are there courses currently on the top 100 list that are inferior to The National and Hamilton? Several!
    As for the 1 dimensional issue I clearly stated; I have no idea what the author means by this comment. Perhaps a definition would help. 1 dimensional clearly doesn’t mean easy or forgiving or boring, or does it? Do the holes run parallel to each other? Are there are elevation changes, varied hazards and holes that would be classified from easy to difficult. I don’t see the hypocrisy and in fact find the 1 dimensional comment on The National to be wrong.
    Thanks for your comments and that’s the great thing about this sport. We’re all entitled to our opinions.

  4. John

    Hi Frank,
    I thought you’d errored with your statement “why is it not in ANY of the Top 100 in the world course lists….in the world”?
    Suggest you check this site out.

    http://www.top100golfcourses.co.uk/htmlsite/topcourses.asp?Move=Next&id=

    1. Frank

      I in fact am fully aware the National is on that list, however, the list is highly questionable and lacks validity.

      The panel has not one golf professional, touring professional or golf architect on that panel and further more there are no criteria by which members of the panel rate a golf course…it is left entirely up to the individual rater which discredits the whole process. The National can be on that list for reasons as simple as outstanding conditions or because the one person who played it is enamored by exclusivity. Furthermore, the panel is small consisting of only 19 people of whom only 1 is Canadian (I am willing to bet very few of that panel have actually played the National). I could keep going, but I believe the proof is in the pudding….those ratings are far from substantiated and may as well be on someones blog post.

  5. John

    So why did you say, “If everyone considers The National top 100 in the world, why is it not in ANY of the Top 100 in the world course lists….in the world?” You did capitalize ANY!
    I would suggest you check Golf Digest Top 100 outside US as well.
    Also, I’m not sure your comment that “… the panel has not one golf professional, touring professional or golf architect on that panel and further more there are no criteria by which members of the panel rate a golf course…it is left entirely up to the individual rater which discredits the whole process” is entirley accurate or fair to the website. The list looks pretty solid.
    Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions. Play well.

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