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9 responses to “Toronto Golf Club: When is it a Restoration and When is it Something Else Pt. II”

  1. Longhorn Jim

    In my opinion real architects don’t do restoration work. Restorations can be done by anyone with some old photographs.

    Real architects are creative people who have enough confidence in themselves to create their own vision and not just copy what someone else has done before. That is what they get paid for – otherwise the golf club could just hand a photograph to a bulldozer operator and say “make it look like that”.

    The greatest designers in any of the professions that require creativity are people who carve out their own vision – nobody remembers a designer who just copies what someone else did before.

    Granted the photos are small, but to my eye, the “redo” photograph looks like a more interesting hole and something I would rather play. If there is an inaccuracy here, it’s probably that it should not have been called a restoration, but that’s just fine – cause if you “restore” something that was bad or didn’t work, well, that’s just plain dumb.

  2. Longhorn Jim

    I guess I should add that I have some experience with this type of thing, as the club I belong to went through a big debate on all this. Where I come from, if you are going to spend money to renovate, fix, alter, remediate,modernize, overhaul or in any way refurbish something, it had damn well be better than it was before. We had some idiot try and sell us that our club should restore our golf course to what it was originally, even knowing that was going to result in some real dumb holes. That’s backwards thinking down here – and he got tossed out on his ass – Thankfully.

  3. Paul Turner

    The redone bank on the 7th is awful. Hawtree presumably got the job because he’s perceived as the Colt expert and sells his work as Traditional. So how did he come up with this? Colt never did anything even remotely similar.

  4. Jeff Mingay

    Longhorn Jim: People are going to have very subjective views on whether it was “better than it was before”, anywhere. For example, like Paul Turner, I think the renovated 7th hole at Toronto Golf Club looks completely ridiculous in the photo Robert’s posted. Moreover, genuine restoration of certain “worn out” or lost features at certain aged golf courses can, and often does result in major improvement.

  5. henrye

    OMG. What the hell is that?

  6. Shark

    going to go check out that lambton stuff…i live on a street that on exit faces directly into lambton that has been a battleground since middle of last summer.?
    I have often wondered why the course had to not only lose one season…but likely part of next..its still not close to being done. Then again its private and i have long wanted ..ok dreamed of playing it..since its a ten second drive to course..but sadly i cannot play it. Not enough bankroll on hand…

  7. Kerry G

    Longhorn,
    By most accounts, TGC did not need much change as it had many very good/great holes. It was short by modern Championship standards but does not need to host the Canadian Open anytime soon.
    I agree, restoring badly designed holes would be dumb but that is clearly not the case at TGC.
    I could understand some changes to retain shot values and modern lengths but that hillside redesign is something that just is not keeping with the original.
    The simplicity of many Colt aspects are part of the charm of the place. Not overshaped, not tricky, not imposed on the land.
    It is a shame that the TGC members do not realize the gem they have and have agreed to this re-design.
    I don’t doubt that when architects approach these courses they use the word “renovate” to help sell their approach.
    Jones has reworked so much Tillinghast work he is called an expert, although I don’t see much of it as restoration outside of some aspects at Bethpage.
    Is Hawtree doing the same disservice to Colt?

  8. Paul Turner

    I wonder of the bank in front of the great 4th has been similarly bulldozered into oblivion?

  9. Bill Lata

    While I share the view that the re-do of #7 is not appealing to my eye given the style of the course, its history, or its previous appearance, let’s be fair and wait to see what it ALL looks like once the snow melts.

    In the meantime, let’s spend our time doing something far more constructive and helpful. (And not speculating whether Tiger had his teeth knocked out, or whether he was on HGH.)

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