Going for the Green

Robert Thompson's comments, criticism and opinion on the world of golf.

10 responses to “Toronto GC: When is it a restoration and when is it something else?”

  1. Weekender

    I totally agree Robert. The line between a true restoration and a sympathetic renovation is often blurred and misrepresented. Below is a recent article from Golf Course Industry Magazine that talks about the work completed at Rolling Green GC outside Philadelphia by Forse Design as a ‘meticulous restoration’ that turns back the clock. Two paragraphs later they start describing the ‘strategic relocation of hazards matches contemporary golf equipment, regaining Flynn’s intended challenges while exuding his elegant simplicity’. Call a spade a spade.

    http://www.golfcourseindustry.com//news/news.asp?ID=5327

  2. philip

    well done RT – a worthy blog and not one mention of JD.

    interesting that Hawtree (among other euros) seem to be selling this “safety” thing for reno work. Can a course be altered for safety ever be a true restoration? by definition, i think not.

  3. JIM

    I am not sure this debate is even worthy of discussion. Golf courses are pieces of land that continuously change. Trees grow higher and taller and sometimes die or are cut because they interfere with shot lines. Bunkers deteriorate and have to be restored every 5-7 years. Development around golf courses oftern interfere with original design of a golf hole. A restoration? A redesign? Who the heck cares. Augusta National in no way resembles its original design, but everyone considers this golf course to be among the world’s greatest. So what if changes are made. RT, you seem to imply that golf courses should retain their original character? Why? Most of these courses are member owned, and they are there to serve member needs. I don’t care who the architect is, if members want to change things, so what? This isn’t a painting that can be preserved in an environmentally controlled way. That is not possible for a golf course. The course is there to serve member needs, it doesn’t exist for any intrinsic purpose other than that. Get your head out of your ass man.

  4. KC

    Since I am not playing TGC anytime soon and probably never, I’d like to see TDI cross the road and do some ‘restoration’ on Lakeview GC, especially #12. :-)

  5. Anonymous

    I can’t comment on the GolfClubAtlas thing (registration shut down) but I’d say adding a bunker at 11 green is by definition not restorative.

    Also, whoever is taking the Contractor to task for the bunker work on the GCA forum is probably baeking up the wrong tree.

  6. philip

    jim:

    in some ways, you’re right. landscapes and golf courses evolve… but don’t sell us something that its not. “Restoration” v. “Renovation” may be nothing more than semantics and ego…

    and this is where Hawtree has to come clean – or at least be upfront about his process. sympathetic restoration has its place – was this it? not sure. but if its not, don’t pretend it is.

    One thing I do believe in this whole restore/renovate argument is that nostalgia, in all its forms, can be very, very dangerous when considering design and redesign (not just of golf courses).

    “Nostalgia is killer”. Claude Cormier.

  7. king

    I totally agree! – recently played tarandowah and WOW what an amazing contrast to golf as we see it and the feudal efforts by many architects to establish “links style” courses.
    I didn’t find 17 a problem but certainly 4 is a little weak. All this is overshadowed by the increasing vistas and pure character as the course evolves. From 8 on this course just continues to amaze. By far the best investment in “pure golf” anyone could make. After this who cares about TGC!

  8. Paul

    I guess Jim wouldn’t mind if the bulldozers turn up at St Andrews.

    Martin Hawtree definitely sold this project as a restoration (or “restauration” according to Hawtree.co.uk, perhaps a Freudian?). He’s not claiming it’s a remodeling, so if he designs features are very different from Colt’s original then criticism is fair.

    Hawtree also has a record of changing classic courses for safety reasons which other architects don’t see: Royal Melbourne East

  9. philip

    paul:

    restauration? really? restaurantation? wow.

    and add Lahinch to the list with RME.

Leave a comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

*

You may use these HTML tags and attributes: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>