Going for the Green

Robert Thompson's comments, criticism and opinion on the world of golf.

16 responses to “What Humber Valley Needs: More Rounds”

  1. 3 WOOD FROM OAKVILLE

    time to start practicising my Newfie accent so I can get half price golf on a great course -Lawrd Tunderin’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. The King of Ace..

    RT….You should do an column on the so called king of aces. Stephen Johnston, by my last count, advertised himself as having achieved 50 holes in one. By PGA tour standards, I think a touring pro gets a hole in one every 3000 holes. If we apply this standard, that would mean that the so called king of aces would have to play 150,000 holes of golf. (ie. 3000X50) to achieve 50 aces, on average. That would mean that he would have to play roughly 8000 rounds of golf. Let’s suppose he plays 100 rounds of golf per year. It would take this guy 80 years to play 8000 rounds of golf, so that he could have 50 aces. In other words, I don’t believe this so called king of aces. The above analysis indicates that Stephen is a playing at PGA standards. That is being generous. The average low handicapper gets a hole in one every 10,000 holes. If we apply the same logic, as I did above, it would would be highly highly improbable that he could achieve 50 aces, unless he played the same par three over and over again. In that case, his so called record is bogus and phony. Our readers would love to hear how this guy achieves the statistical impossibility. I just don’t believe him. Maybe he can write to you and indicate how he achieves the impossible.

  3. I WON THE LOTTERY TWICE GUY

    Hey…weird things happen!

    Why would he lie about this and if you were going to lie wouldn’t you say “I have made 20″ ….fifty!! Really…

    Look at it from the other angle…Ben Hogan only had two.aces..maybe skill doesn’t have that much to do with it..

    People get lucky

  4. I won twice...what are you smoking

    Hey, I won the lottery twice.

    Of course skill has something to do with it. That is precisely why tour pros have a higher probability of scoring a hole in one than a mid to high handicap player.

    In 1999, Golf Digest reported, “One insurance company puts a PGA Tour pro’s chances at 1 in 3,756 and an amateur’s at 1 in 12,750.” This is based on science and statistics and it proves that skill has everything to do with it. It is silly to thing that by some absolutely random occurance a guy can score 50 holes in one. It isn’t possible, unless something else is going on like hitting 50 balls on every par three or just playing par 3 holes and hitting thousands of balls at every hole so that one drops. If that is what is going on then it is believable, but then the record doesn’t mean anything.

  5. HenryE

    Wonder what GGA charged the receiver for that shoddy advise? Who would ever travel to Newfoundland for a vacation centred on golf? The provincial government has a wonderful ad campaign on now, showing the beauty of the Rock, it communities and it’s natural topography.

    Lastly, not sure I get the #’s – $59K annual capital maintenance – is that the maintenance budget for the year or a reference to their spend on capital improvements? Surely it can’t be the first, as it wouldn’t even cover a few staff.

  6. I WON THE LOTTERY TWICE GUY

    What are you smoking…

    Great stats….interesting stuff….still doesn’t beat the old

    “things happen”"

    Did you ever think he includes mini putt???

  7. George

    Henry, the 59K is the capital equipment for the course. I have seen this a couple of times with Johnston. The inventory must be around 1/2 mil. but at 10% is very light. Mind you on a 10 years deprec schedule not bad. Should be more like 20%.

  8. NUMBERS GUY

    The 59K is probably the $ amount set aside for improvements each year to the entire facility. Equipment repair costs would have their own line item

  9. HenryE

    Thanks George & Numbers Guy. I get it now. I’ve seen some of the report and it shows that golf demand exceeds supply in that area of the Rock and the assumption is that by cutting the green fee in half, they will fill the place with some segmented marketing. GGA could be right if their assumptions are correct, but I just don’t see this area as a competitive fly-in golf destination vs. all the competition out there. I’ve not been, so I can’t comment on whether the resort’s other qualities make it worth the trip, but I think that would be a critical factor in its success.

  10. gary slatter

    NGF+KPMG+GGS=0
    Why not a real expert, like Sam Young or Dalton Hicks?

  11. King of Queens

    As a past employee of a golf facility who’s upper level management utilized the services of GGA, it does not surprise me that they produce such a simple formula as the answer for a profitable operation.

    Such is the life of a consultant….produce recommendations and carry not accountability for their accuracy (if followed) down the line.

    It’s really too bad that they appear to have the market of consulting within the golf industry cornered. I would have to agree with Mr. Slatter that experts who have lived & worked in the trenches are the one’s who’s opinions should be sought.

  12. King of Queens

    BTW…good luck with $59K of ACM

    One major project that pops up unexpectedly will eat that up in a heartbeat !

  13. Spicer

    I just like to leave my sympathy, and give my congratulations to this blog, which is one of the best I’ver read.

  14. Sleeth

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  15. shortgrass

    Humber Valley Golf Course maybe sold:

    From:

    http://garykelly.ca/blog/2009/09/09/humber-valley-golf-course-sold/

    “Oke said the year started off a little slow because everyone didn’t know the golf course was open. When the word got out that the golf course was open, the golfers started flowing in.

    Oke said there were more golfers on the course this year then the previous five years.

    Oke also said that the Humber Valley Resort has had more then 8,000 tourists visit the area so far this year. Most of the tourists were coming from Alberta, Ontario and the east coast of the province. The response from the visitors was “overwhelming.”

    Did The River Course Make Money

    Earlier in the year, it was reported that Oke put $300,000 of his own money into the River Course to get it going.

    In the interview yesterday morning, Oke said the venture was “in the black” so far this year. He wasn’t quite sure exactly how much money he would make this year but Oke seemed very grateful that things went well this year.
    Rumors About The Sale Of The Golf Course

    There are lots of rumors floating about town regarding the sale of the golf course at the Humber Valley Resort.

    Oke said some of the rumors were probably true but he wouldn’t provide any additional information at this time.

    I spoke with a couple of people in Corner Brook yesterday and the consensus seem to suggest the River Course has been sold to a group of three business people with strong connections to the Corner Brook area.

    Apparently the small details need to be worked out.

    Lets hope the deal can be struck.”

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