Going for the Green

Robert Thompson's comments, criticism and opinion on the world of golf.

9 responses to “Could We See More Canadian Courses As NLE?”

  1. Shark

    I read the same article on that US course and was confused. I understand a unpopular course being demolished, but not a successful and profitable one?
    When you add the climate for resale housing in the US it becomes an even cloudier decision.
    Only reason i can see is that this may be due to the specific needs of the area. They mentioned the huge influx of people due to a new business in the area and housing close to this, so i guess it somewhat makes sense.

    I definitely see courses in canada facing the same situation. As density and expansion occurs, there are courses in prime real estate areas in demand. Why would a owner continue to operate at low profit levels when he could make a quicker buck and bigger return and move on to other ventures.
    All this makes for a sad day for the lower green fee popular courses as maybe just maybe a owner pullls the plug on his business.

  2. phil

    shark & RT,

    aberdeen MD is a military town, home of the “Aberdeen Proving Grounds”. much of this housing is apparently going to be functional, useful housing for military folks – not some fancy dancy community. that said, it is still a private development, not military funded.

    i played beechtree this past july. it was a really fun, understated golf course. some of the greens were spectacular, and was a good study as a doak “coming of age” golf course (his words…). worth the trip for the 17th green alone.

  3. JDC

    These are financial decisions. If a golf course is worth “X” dollars, but as a real estate development it is worth “X + $1″, then there is more value to the property being a real estate development. Its sad, but true.

    Prior to the global economic collapse, I have always struggled with how Glen Abbey was not worth more as a real estate development, being located in the upscale suburbs of Oakville. To be clear, I am a huge fan of Glen Abbey and think it is a fabulous design and test of golf. Similarly, think of the land value for some other courses like St. Georges, Islington and Lambton.

    There is a lot to be said for member owned courses, as investors look for return and as their equity portfolio shrink, maybe they will look to monetize real estate holdings, to the detriment of great layouts.

  4. phil

    not just great layouts, but local greenspace and the benefits that come along with that, to which many of them do not have a quantifiable “price”.

  5. Wayne

    Member owned courses are far less likely to cash in then corporate owned courses. That’s why I could see this happening to Glen Abbey but not to St. Georges. And don’t forget that in the CofT that golf courses get a break on property taxes but if the course is sold then those taxes have to be paid. Don’t forget that this did happen to many courses decades ago. Cedar Brae 9 (nee Cedar Brook) was where Cedar Brae mall is today. Toronto Golf Club used to be located around Gerard and Woodbine, etc.

  6. Netz

    Do not know why this would surprise you at all RT.

    Like JDC said it is all business and golf courses are not unlike any business, If the owner can ge out with a nifty profit why not sell.

    It is all about money……unfortunately.

  7. Craig

    Don’t forget Northview or something like that. The members cashed in and all moved to the National with Gil Bleckman. I remember as the course I was working for at the time bought the irrigation system components from them.
    I think each member got $20,000.00 or so each from the deal.

  8. Shayne Dysart VP Resort Operations Wildstone

    Hi Robert,

    It’s been a while since we last spoke, I am in BC these days as your blog states working with Wildstone and their extensive project in Cranbrook, 900 acres, two Gray Player golf courses etc. We are going through tough economic times as we all know and like any project we are working closely with all parties in a proactive and positive fashion. We do have new parties involved, who are bringing more liquidity to the project and thus project is still moving forward at a good rate. Robert give me a call, my phone does work and I would enjoy sharing some very positive and new information about Wildstone. We are still in the Sales Center 250 489 2883.

    Regards Shayne Dysart, General Manager, VP Operations

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