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Going for the Green

Robert Thompson's comments, criticism and opinion on the world of golf.

46 responses to “The Restoration of Highlands Links Con’t”

  1. John Bennett

    The most visualy stimulating golf course I have ever played ( 7 times).I will keep going back until I can’t anymore. My ashes are going to be let loose on # 15. It doesn’t get any better than that.

  2. Keith Cutten

    Rob, I wanted to thank you for walking this “budding designer” through the changes and original design elements of Highlands Links. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversations on the course as well!

  3. Don Hyslop

    Thanks for these articles on my favourite golf course. Keep em coming! Also looking forward to something on Cabot Links.

  4. Sharpee

    Keith(budding designer)
    Notice how Rob did not mention your golf game at all??!!LOL

  5. Mike Bell

    Let’s hope they set aside some money in the budget to address the meagre clubhouse.

  6. Rickart New

    Highlands Links is crying out for some tender loving care.
    Redesigning aside, great strides can be made right away with tree removal and drainage. Parks Canada must have monies available for that.
    Over the long haul, a thoughtful and faithful redesign will be a boon to the region especially with Cabot Links about to open.
    This golf course deserves to be in the best condition possible.

  7. Raymond Cherry

    I’ve not played Highland Links but I have played several Stanley Thompson designed courses. For the life of me I just don’t understand the fascination. I’ll give you St. George’s but given that property I wonder if you and I couldn’t have come up with something decent. For every good Thompson design there are a dozen questionable efforts.

  8. Chris

    Jeez Raymond Cherry,

    I’d really like to know what Thompson courses you’ve played. I’d strenuously disagree with you that he has many questionable efforts. If there are any out there it is because they have suffered the ravages of time, poor renovations, and self-serving green committees.

    Often people speak of Thompson’s “big five”, but little is mentioned of the myriad of solid courses he’s designed and/or built in small towns and cities all across Canada. Countless golfers have learned the game on Thompson courses. It’s hard to argue with the Historic Sites and Monuments Board of Canada, who inferred upon Thompson the title of “person of national historic significance”.

  9. Raymond Cherry

    Chris:

    I’m not questioning his “national historic significance” just that I believe his reputation is based largely on things like St. George’s but if you are looking for specific examples… how about Burlington, Thornhill, St. Catherines, Credit Valley and the always popular Dundas. I’m not saying these are complete dogs (although a couple might be categorized thusly) but they are hardly works of “national historic significance”. My point is this; it’s not reasonable to only consider the great courses when determining the quality of his work.

  10. Weekend Enthusiast

    @Raymond:

    Given that Thompson designed, re-modeled or was significantly involved in 144 courses in Canada, you would say there are only 12 with good designs? (see your comment above that “…for every good Thompson design there are a dozen questionable efforts.”

    I think your logic or evaluation criteria needs re-examination. I believe Thompson’s body of work speaks for itself. While I have only played 14 of the 144, I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

  11. Raymond Cherry

    Weekend Enthusiast:

    I respect your opinion, I just don’t feel the same way. I am fairly well travelled and have played several Thompson designs. And yes, although my comment regarding the proportion of his work that is questionable, was just a figure of speech, I stand by it. I listed 5 just off the cuff.

    Raymond

  12. Matt

    Raymond, I agree that some ‘Thompson’ courses are poor representations of his work and in some cases inaccurate representations (eg. Credit Valley is not a Thompson design and St. Catherines has only a few Thompson holes left).

    In fact, of the 144 courses he apparently designed far less than half would be considered decent representations of his work.

  13. kerry

    Raymond,
    St Georges, Jasper Park, Highland Links and Banff Springs alone would secure most designer’s reputations.
    But he has many other impressive works that are not great but very good. Oshawa, Kawartha, Islington, Oakdale among many others are solid if not perfect.
    Out of over 100, it’s tough to have even 20 masterpieces. Ross and Tilly left some lacklustre designs as well. Good but not great.
    Overall Thompson’s work is above average. Consider much of his original work has been severely altered and few play as he originally intended. What we do have left still looks very good.
    His use of the land and slopes is very good. Jasper Parks stands out as such a great course with several simple holes that play brilliantly. #2, #3 and #8 for example.
    If you take his top 25, that is still a very impressive body of work for any architect, anywhere.
    To expect every effort to be a masterpiece is perhaps unreasonable.

  14. Chris

    Raymond Cherry,

    Hopefully you get the chance to walk Highlands and I am sure you’ll change your mind. It is truly incredible, even in it’s current state. Also, I wonder if you played courses like St.thomas or Highland Country Club, Catarqui, and Kawartha and have any thoughts on those courses

    Chris

  15. Andrew

    It may be a stretch, but is there any thought of turning the course into the Bethpage Black of Canada? Have the RCGA pay for an upgrade, host the open and turn it into a destination resort for golfers. You could have 2 tiers of pricing for locals and non-locals. Works for the Black, but they admittedly have a bigger area to draw (NY)

    Just a thought…

  16. kerry

    Seems to me as well that some of Thompson’s so called “average” works are actually re-workings of George Cummings original layouts.
    If I am not mistaken several of his Toronto area courses fit this mould. He could have had limitations with what George originally did.
    Just a thought.

  17. George

    Andrew, great thought……but

    One of the big problems with the RCGA doing it is the backlash they would receive from NGCOA and member clubs. (perceived using their dues to compete against them (golfers and members))

    Then there is the problem of location, location, location.

    RT:
    This has been said/asked many times but if you take the total # of supposed Thompson designs and divide it by the actual # of years he worked in the trade makes you question how much he actually did on the sites.
    Don’t take this wrong as I respect a lot of his work.
    Having said this, we could question a lot of 20’s, 30’s and even today architects. Those working on the site, especially the greenskeepers, shapers (modern day), probably influenced the designs more. Granted the routing was probably the architects but I wonder how much else was.

  18. Craig

    Andrew – I laughed when I read your post. Obviously you’ve never been to Ingonish.

    The taxpayers of Canada have been keeping this course going for 70 years. Parks Canada should relinquish control and lease out the course (maybe it’s $1 a year to somebody). If the course cannot be made profitable it should die. There are much more efficient ways to generate economic activity in the area than funding this course. The course should never have been built there in the first place – depression era nonsense to keep people busy with shovels for a couple of years.

    And if the Stanley Thompson cultists think this course should be preserved like a museum or shrine to Stanley Thompson, they should put their $$$ where their mouth is. Like raise money themselves or waive their consulting fees.

  19. GregM.

    Craig, I was interested in your comment re “There are much more efficient ways to generate economic activity in the area than funding this course. ” Could you perhaps give us a couple of examples?

  20. Guynick

    Sweet, Craig, I don’t know why we haven’t thought of this before … While we’re at it, maybe we could subdivide Kluane Park, lease out the Peace Tower for lofts and find someone who’ll do free touch-up work at the National Gallery. From here on in, no Canadian heritage unless it pays for itself.

    http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/10125

  21. Guynick

    … and Raymond, if Michaelangelo painted a billboard to put food on the table, it doesn’t detract from the Sistine Chapel.

  22. Craig

    http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/11854

    The federal government should not be operating a golf course.

  23. Craig

    Parks Canada needs to grow a pair. Lease it to N.S. or the town of Igonish for $1 year. If the course brings such a benefit to Ingonish or Cape Breton, it should be footing the bill. 33 seasonal workers would end up taking a pay cut. So what. Wander around Windsor, Ont. or Oshawa and ask some of those folks if they are happy to be a subsidizing a golf course on Cape Breton Island for wealthy tourists. Parks Canada has better things to do with their money – how much additonal land could have been purchased with the millions they have sunk into Highland Links? Only the government of Canada would build a golf course on rocky land, in an unpopulated and inaccessible location, with a golf season 12 weeks long.

  24. GregM.

    Craig, “who is subsidizing who?”

    “Ottawa will provide no new money in this deal with GM, but will relieve the company of an obligation to repay loans from a 2005 agreement that gave it $200-million in federal money for several projects.”

  25. Chris

    Raymond Cherry,

    I do think that Thompson’s entire body of work is part of the reason for his “national historic significance”. But you’re entitled to your opinion…

  26. George

    GregM, who is GM and what $200 m agreement?

  27. GregM.

    George, GM is General Motors and $200M refers to some of the peoples money that was “lent” to them for some “work” in Oshawa.

  28. Craig

    I’m suggesting Parks Canada lease the course for nothing. That’s not giving something away? GM commits to spending hundreds of millions of dollars of their money before they see anything in the way of loans/tax breaks etc. from government. And certainly no government is on the hook to pay any of GM’s losses.

  29. GregM.

    Craig, I believe you are forgetting that Highlands Links is part of the Cape Breton Highlands National Park which is owned by you, I and every other Canadian. What do you think about leasing part of the parliament buildings for a shopping plaza? Maybe McDonalds, Swiss Chalet ……. that sort of thing.

  30. George

    RT, you never responded to my question?

  31. George

    I agree with you, the problem I have is how much of Thompson’s designs or routing are left.

    Just a clarification, John Watson did not work for Thompson, Howard (his father) did. Howard died several years ago.

    There were many fellows who worked for Howard during his lifetime that have never been recognized in the Thompson Tree. Some we like to forget!! :-)

  32. George

    John is mostly retired.

    Yes, he being the most infamous one.

  33. Andrew

    I have not been to Ingonish, but if the course is anything like people say it can/has been, then they will come. I played Royal Dornoch earlier this year, and it was in a town with only 1 pub! (which should tell you how small it is). Most of the yanks who come up to Dornoch stay an in Inverness in a hotel, I am not saying HL is as good as Dornoch (never played it) but just that if the course is that good, people will come, but then again the ones who go now are probably the die hards who will make the effort to get up there. Maybe we can get Herb Kohler to buy it!

  34. GregM.

    Andrew, to my knowledge there isn’t even 1 pub in Ingonish.

    1. Truman

      There are 2 pubs in Ingonish. Costal Waters and Thirsty Hiker.

  35. Andrew

    not 1 pub, well then i will have to take a pass. In Dornoch you can walk from the pub to the course.

  36. Joe

    There is a Pub in ingonish-called the Thirsty Hiker. About 2 miles from the course. Also the nearby resort Keltic Lodge has a great variety of single malts and brews (a five iron away). Hope, for your sake, this changes your mind about playing Highlands Links. If not, you’ll miss an experience, not just another golf course.

  37. Evan

    Highlands Links is so good that I’m getting married at Keltic Lodge in less than 2 weeks, just so I can play the course again (Keltic Lodge is no slouch either). Anybody that has not made the trek, you’re missing out. It’s the best course I’ve played in North America.

  38. RickH

    @Andrew – I’ve played both Royal Dornoch and Highlands Links, and love the little town of Dornoch. They are obviously very different courses, but in my estimation Highlands Links is a more exhilirating experience. Who can say which is “better”.

    Regarding ST’s reputation, I’ve played a couple of his courses in my area (Westmount and Galt), along with Banff Springs. All three are held in high regard, especially Westmount and Banff Springs, but they are nothing like Highlands Links. Compared to Highlands Links, almost everything else I’ve played is relatively boring.

  39. ian andrew

    George,

    He was on site – there is excellent documentation in most cases. He was not on site daily, but often made a weekly or in Highlands case monthly visit due to distance and travel limits of the day. He had experienced foreman on site on his behalf and instructed them on each visit. What people forget is he ran a huge construction company that built all the work. The other thing to remeber is the golf courses took a lot longer to build so more spread out visits worked just fine in that day and age.

    Half his work was done in the first 10 years – after that supervision was much easier because he had much less work to do. For example there were many years in the 1930’s where he had only one or two projects. Only post WWII did he begin to get very busy again.

  40. Julie watson

    anybody got any news on cabot links?

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