Going for the Green

Robert Thompson's comments, criticism and opinion on the world of golf.

33 responses to “Score’s Top 100 — Winners and Losers”

  1. Greg B

    I haven’t played very many of these, but I never fail to be amazed at the rating for Glen Arbour, which I have played far too many times. I noticed that one of the scoring areas for the panel was “Fun”, worth 20 points. Glen Arbour would make single digits in that category for me, because of all the golf courses I have ever played, it is about the least fun course I have ever experienced. Virtually unwalkable because of the extreme hills, but get in a cart and you are stuck on paths that are invariably about as far away from your ball as possible. It starts out with a first hole which is extremely demanding for a starter and then deteriorates from there. Too many forced carries, too many hills, just not a fun track. Give me the choice of being magically transported to Glen Arbour or any number of other Nova Scotian courses that didn’t even make it on the list for a free round of golf — courses like Digby Pines, Chester, Ken-Wo or Abercrombie, to name a few — and I will take any of them before I picked Glen Arbour.

  2. Michael

    The Muskoka rankings confuse me to no end.

    I do not know where Taboo should be in the rankings, maybe 60′s, but it is definitely not better than Muskoka Bay.

    Crowbush I will never understand. That is a personal opinion. Of the course’s on the island, there are much better places to play than, and unlike Bob, I hate the 17th.

  3. The Troll

    Can’t say I’m really surprised to see Brantford G&C falling a bit. Once upon a time these greens were among the fastest and most fun that I ever played. On the stimp I bet they used to be around 11 most days but now they prolly run around 8 most days.

  4. Manly Thompson

    Lots and lots of very odd choices.

    Rocky Crest and Taboo? Huh?

    If the rankings love muskoka courses, how come MBay isn’t ranked better given that it is the best of the bunch in that area.

    And Beacon Hall better than Devil’s Paintbrush?

    And Coppinwood only at 28th?

    Ridiculous.

  5. phil

    Question for Ontario-ians:

    Is Cataraqui’s drop from 57 to 80 a function of the changes they’re going through now to #17?? Opinions? Evan? Ian? Anyone?

  6. phil

    ps. coppinwood shouldn’t be higher than 28 IMO. the SITE might be though. take that for what its worth.

  7. Matt

    Of those I’ve played…

    Too High: Beacon Hall, Crowbush, Royal Montreal, Rocky Crest, Taboo, Glen Abbey, Bigwin, Pulpit, Stewart Creek, Mississaugua, King Valley, Glen Arbour, Copper Creek, Deerhurst, Deer Ridge, Angus South, Bayview

    Too Low: Muskoka Bay, Eagle’s Nest, Oviinbyrd, St. Thomas, Scarboro, Rosedale, Essex, Summit, Bruno, Ridge at Manitou, Cataraqui, Lookout Point, Laval Sur Le Lac, Wildfire, Thornhill, Mad River

    Omissions: Kawartha, Royal Ottawa, Chateau Montebello, The Rock (yes, it still has a few wonky holes but most of it is very good), Cherry Hill, Grandview, Galt, Oshawa, Cutten Club (post-restoration), Highland CC (London), Islington

  8. Trunk Slammer

    RT – get over the bunker comments at Hamilton…you are the only one I have ever met who thinks St. George’s in better…now go break 90.

  9. Matt

    Trunk Slammer, you can add me as #2…Hamilton is excellent but really could be soooo much better with a proper restoration.

  10. George

    RT, I tend to agree with you on many points (ratings) especially Hamilton. The bunkers do need a massive overhaul. When it was last done (doesn’t seem that long ago either) the sand came from 2 different locations so the consistency is awful. The PGA pro’s knew it but were too polite to say anything publically. Really shouldn’t be in the top 10 as there is not much from the original design left but I guess we should be polite.

  11. Tighthead

    I know nothing of most of the GTA/Muskoka course, but I think Shaughnessy could rate a little higher. It plays better for the members than it showed in the Canadian Open.

    Nicklaus North should not be in the top 100. Nicely conditioned, but monotonous and forgettable – signatures of the Bear’s designs.

    The additional nine holes did Predator no favours.

  12. The Troll

    If Hamilton renovates their bunkers then I sure hope they don’t hire the person who worked on Brantford before Graham Cooke. GC’s work was very nice and well received by the membership. The bunker work done on #6, 15 and 16 before GC was inconsistent with the rest of the course and resulted in terrible unintended bounces. This work was totally panned by the membership.

  13. Just a 5 handicap golfer who has played many, many courses

    Score’s list is always flawed….Most of the votes are on hearsay….

    Why isn’t the very fine, new Norman course, Wyndance, on anyone’s list??

  14. john

    Taboo is no way near Coppinwood nor Muskoka Bay

    Both these courses should be very close to Baeconhall..

    In my list, Coppinwood and Muskoka bay #5 and 6..

  15. Rob

    Why can’t I find the Best New Course rankings? If they’ve been announced (Robert – you quoted Wyndance having placed second), why aren’t the results posted anywhere? I’ve checked Score’s website (a dog’s breakfast at the best of times anyway, so there’s a good chance I missed it in the clutter) and can’t seem to find it.

  16. phil x2

    “In my list, Coppinwood and Muskoka bay #5 and 6..”

    now THAT is a Toronto-centric opinion.

    what’s the kerfuffle on Wyndance? Is it really “fine” as Just a 5 says? What about Goodwood? How are these 2 courses, plus Coppinwood surviving in a saturated market within minutes from each other?

    and SERIOUSLY, when are people going to get over Wooden Sticks? Potential unrealized. (in the site, not concept.)

  17. Robert Trent Jones XXXVII

    Good point about the heavy weighting supposedly given to the “fun” factor.

    If it were applied accurately, Devil’s Paintbrush and Coppinwood would jump dramatically—these are fun personified.

    And if “fun” were to be given an accurate assessment, I don’t think The National would be #1 by the reviewers. A great course it is. That is beyond doubt. But for many of the reviewers, I am sure that The National ate them alive!

  18. KC

    I find these heated discussions about course X being better than course Y a bit much. It is like debating if one should date Jessica Alba or Jessica Simpson.

    For the average golfers like myself, I would be glad to play anyone of them.

    Heck, I probably would enjoy those ranked between 101 and 200 just as much.

  19. Just An Observer

    I think everyone needs to remember that these lists are for interest and entertainment purposes. Every member thinks their own course is better and tougher than it really is. It’s impossible to be subjective regarding your kids and your home course and I’m as guilty as anyone.

    I have two issues with what I’ve read. I’m certain that some courses get far more visits from panelists than others. This is probably based on it’s proximity to major cities and, of course, when give the choice between visiting the Average G & C. C. and the Wonderful G & C. C. most raters will probably opt for the latter. I probably would too. I have been a member at the Brantford G & C C for several years and, according to our previous General Manager, there had never been a panelist from Score or any other magazine for that matter during his time at the club (approx. 6 years) but I don’t know how that factors in. My other issue is that it bothers me when I read comments about my club that simply aren’t true. I’m sure I’m not alone in this. Graham Cooke is now our consulting architect but other than relocating a cart path and adding one new tee we have hardly undergone a “Graham Cooke restoration” as Mr. Thompson stated along with Brantford’s ranking. Graham has formulated a Master Plan for our golf course but less than 5% of the proposed work has been completed.

  20. Just An Observer

    You are correct that I have no idea how many panelists have connections but based on my exchange with the previous GM, very few, if any have contacted the club for a visit. When our club dropped a few spots in the last rankings there was some discussion and I was told point blank that no panelists visited during his time. Obviously that was wrong but my point is still the same. Some clubs get far more visits than others. Your group visited 3 years ago but there have now been (I think) two rankings related issues since then. I would just like to know how the rankings carry over from year to year. Is there a minimum number of panelists required?

  21. phil x2

    just an observer,

    as a private club, does it really matter?

  22. Just An Observer

    I understand what you are asking and, I agree with you, in the big picture it doesn’t matter. In my original comment I wrote that I believe the rankings are for entertainment purposes. I am still involved at the committee level however and I’m sure there will be people asking about the rankings and the process.

  23. Greg B

    To Just an Observer: be very very careful of letting Graham Cooke do much to your golf course. It’s a personal dislike for his designs on my part, but I have never been on a course he has been involved with that I particularly liked. I would be extra nervous about letting him loose on a classic course.

  24. Dale Johnson

    I was very disappointed to see that Saskatchewan has only one golf course listed in Score’s Top 100. Saskatchewan has more golf courses per capita than any province in Canada. There are a number of great golf courses in this province that would rank right up there with many courses on your list. I agree that Dakota Dunes should be on this list but we also have Riverside Country Club, Deer Valley, Elk Ridge Resort, Moon Lake; just to name a few. I have heard that for a course to be considered for this list it must be played by the panelists and that your magazine has no panelists from Saskatchewan. I hope you consider getting some panelists from our province so that our courses have a fair chance of being considered for your next Top 100 list.

  25. Weekend Enthusiast

    Dale Johnson:

    I would be interested in your perspective on the specific courses you have played in Saskatchewan versus the other courses you have played in BC, Alberta, Ontario/other provinces that are currently in the top 100 and why the Saskatchewan courses should displace those currently in the top 100.

  26. Sticky_balls

    “Class in Order”….A Lesson in Advertising! Buy, buy and buy, and guess what? The level of political push and positioning within the executive sales management of a golf magazine can take a course rating and magically change its ranking based not on what quality and standards the course offers, but on what pleases the person cutting the check. Have you ever paid attention to the Golf course that stopped advertising? Mysteriously the ranking starts to drop? How gullible are the readers in placing actual value into a rating that is subsidized by “advertising $$$?

  27. Joe Golfer

    |||What do you mean St.Thomas is “20 spots too low”? Do you think it should be higher around 72???? Isn’t this one of the classic Thompson courses that you will not see built any longer? Please explain Robert!

  28. Fairbarn

    I have never understood the ranking that Beacon Hall continues to receive. My opinion isn’t worth a hill of beans but……it’s overrated. Didn’t the owners of Coppinwood suggest that it would be the best in Canada when Fazio was hired? The ranking must be dissapointing for them.

  29. waldo

    Just an Observor’s commentary of September 19 about the Master Plan for Brantford is just slightly incorrect. There are in fact two new revised tees. One is on Five and the other is on Seven. Having played one of Mr. Cooke’s other creations Willow Valley. One wonders having seen and played that course how anyone could call that design fun and imaginative. Look out Brantford.

  30. Tony Clark

    My Friends and I played The Rock For the first time In Aug. We were absolutley amazed at the condition of the course and the hospitality of the staff.
    If you want an enjoyable day, go to the rock. We will be going back to play now that we know the layout.
    Tony Clark

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